The trouble with your recommendation is that you will never be satisfied " that all waste is removed". So your so-called solution is a ruse. Sounds good , but it is a ruse. It's a false perception that most righties harp and live by, to perpetuate your far right mentality. Never satisfied, dude. Never satisfied.

Tyler needs to provide a demographic profile so we can understand exactly who he is and what benefits he receives. There is always room for cost improvements.

Yes, we are being taxed to death, but he doesn't care. No one does. 2 more years of this jerk is scary because a lot of damage can be done in that period of time.

The problem is "we" will. Remember the death penalty? "We" (86%) said we wanted it and if it didn't pass, heads would roll. The next election after defeating it 98% of the idiots were re-elected!
We get what we deserve in this one party state!

Bob: there were no death panels. there are none today. It was a lie. Politifacts deemed it the worst lie of 2010.
More FOX News crap that you parrots repeat.

Tyler,
A little reading comprehension class would be good for you. Bob is refering to the Death PENALTY for criminals, not Death Panels that would have been in a fully socialized health care system, that was not a Fox News thing and was not part of what is now ObamaCare.

Right on Rob, Tyler is your basic "low informaton" voter that pervades this state

Yea they are also known as Moonbats !

Tyler, That is funny! You are so indoctrinated you see death p and go 0 to 60 to DNC talking points! Who is the parrot? ROTFLMAOAY!

Bob, sad but true. But Tyler is no different from most liberals. They peruse TPM and Kos, which are, after all, run by Democratic operatives, for all of their information on any issue. They are unable to think critically about any issue. They don't stop to think that not even they apply the pablum they repeat from the Party Operatives in their own personal lives. They have almost ceased being human. Thinking critically and asking questions are very much a part of what makes us human.

Death panels are currently being staffed ... by those with no expertise and with guidance to minimize health care for the elderly.

Bill Kuechly: so you're the only smart one and everyone else that does not vote like you is stupid, misinformed?
I like the way all you righties talk about me to one another, sort of a collective delusional therapy session at the institution, reinforcing everyone's mania in the group session.
Last I check Obama won, Elizabeth Warren won, all MA congressmen won, Duval Patrick won, 2 terms, and all the FOX news watchers woke up that Wednesday after the election in shock, after sucking up the FOX propaganda for years.
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Tyler,
FYI, I watch FOX and CNN and read many different online news sites to get my info. I woke up on TUESDAY knowing that Obama was going to win. Romney was the wrong choice and I did not vote for him or Obama. I voted for Johnson because I did my research on ALL the candidates and what they stand for and decided that Johnson was the best one for my beliefs. My opinion Huntsman should have been the republican choice and he would have destroyed Obama.
I bet you have never researched a single candidate that that you voted for. You just blindly vote for the person with the D next to their name.
You probably even voted for Bump as auditor who was so unqualified for the job that even the Boston Globe couldn’t find it in their far left leaning endorsement board to recommend her for the job.
I was however surprised and disappointed when I woke up on Wednesday morning to discover that the voters of this state voted in Warren. Hands down the most unqualified person for the job. She was hand-picked by Obama to run and the state Democratic Party was so spineless they wouldn’t even allow a primary to be held because that would go against Obama’s personal choice. Had a primary been allowed then we definitely would not have a Senator Warren. Still may not have been Brown but at least it would have been somebody with qualifications for the job.

"Righties collective, delusional, and manic," says area man who cheerfully, automatically votes Democratic and can't tell the difference between death penalty and death panels.

Hey Rob C: I research and Obama was the best choice for me . You are not the only one that researches, so don't put me down in that respect. Ignorant attitude, dude. The majority of Americans felt the same way by 5 million more than Romney, even though 2 million more probable Obama votes were suppressed. " A little reading comprehension"? Another ignorant remark by you.
Voted for " Johnson"? say what! You and 2 other people? Way to go , Rob. That was a wasted vote. Guess the other 100 million voters were missing something. Weird stuff, dude.

Rob C:Friendly critique. FOX and CNN are petty much the same; you want diversity try MSNBC, so not all your research was done. Ever vote for a democratic presidential candidate - who? Huntsman would not destroy Obama. You recognize that the other 6 or so Republicans were clowns . I pay attention to politics quite closely so your observation is wrong. Think Winslow, Gomez, Sullivan are US senate timber? Hope you do your research there, or the clueless, dogmatic libertarian? warren ran a clean campaign while Brown was cons descending, , anti -women, equal rights , in the pocket of big oil, Wall Street- trace the money. Phony coat and truck; hope you could see through that. there were 4 or 5 other Democrat candidates, there were early debates for US senate. By primary time they all dropped out You were no paying close attention to the DEM side. I liked DeFranco early on against Elizabeth. Right now Ed Markey is the most qualified for the special seat,does have the experience but you will probably come up with another criteria besides experience to rationalize that race. Just my comments . Always like to hear the opposite view.

Actually, you got it backwards: the barn coat and truck were real; the Native American heritage and progressive pedigree of Elizabeth Warren were fake. Her family earned nearly a million dollars last year, and gave a paltry 2.8 percent to charitable causes. More of the "do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do" we have come to expect from liberals.

No helicopter, we are going to put him in the white house. If you invest in stocks I would suggest buy from the makers of prozac.

Southpaw, lower income tax is a break for the working person... Sales tax is a regressive tax when compared to total income, as the lower and middle classes are going to spend a much higher percentage of their income as opposed to the wealthy. It also, in theory, promotes increased economic activity, especialy in towns close to the new hampshire border.

I totally agree with you Southpaw...I feel the same way. And its so frustrating because there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. People comment on blogs, etc., but they keep voting the same people in. When I first heard of these 'suggestions'...I was shocked and scared.

Ron Powell: bottom line you lost; your cheap shots here won't change that. Best I can see from the Righties here is that everyone else is uninformed. Need to get into charitable giving , checkoffs on applications 30 years ago. Sad.
difference : Senator Warren did not need to get into that sideshow stuff. brownie on the otherhand was pushing his gimmicks. The People saw through him and sent him packing to FOX News where all the Republican losers get sent.

Tyler, I would argue that we all lost. By next year, perhaps half of Massachusetts residents, including many in the middle class, are going to be hit with the Obamacare Cadillac tax, and one Senatorial candidate was uniquely positioned to work with Democratic and Republican Senators to protect the middle class here in Massachusetts while the other Senatorial candidate is a polarizing demagogue who will do nothing to protect the middle class from this tax.

I am sure that you have a talking point about Fox News or death panels or risk pools that you will throw out as a non sequitur, but the bottom line is that the middle class here in Massachusetts is going to pay the Cadillac tax while Elizabeth Warren smiles and tells Massachusetts voters how great the Affordable Healthcare act is for Massachusetts.

But Bob TB, it's not just the people that voted for him that 'get what they deserve'..what about those that didn't? They're getting stuck with all this too! I think the people that voted him in WANT lower sales tax and higher income tax specifically as Southpaw stated above.

I hate to correct you but they also lie about how much good they are going to do for us. I love that Judge Judy saying for teenagers, I think it applies to most pols. How do you know they are lying? Their lips are moving. So much money on education wasted on some.

Bob TB: first of all there was no lie. Second, the Massachusetts voters would rather concentrate on issues that effect them ; they did , and voted for Senator Warren over the pretty boy. You really think a phony , fabricated heritage issue would carry the day? issues count over coats, trucks, autographs and hand shaking outside a Bruins game.

Usually the politicians wait til they are in office to lie. She came out of the gate doing it. Good job Massachusetts.

Uncle: so Republicans spend and charge. Everything is free , man. Let's not spend anything and live under a rock like you.

Amen to that...7.6 Million a month in fraud and waste..
Hey Coupe Deville...here's some easy cash if you you feel like chasing it.
Otherwise get your slimy hands outta my pockets..

http://freebeacon.com/widespread-welfare-fraud-in-massachusetts/

Wind Dummy25: you probably think FOX NEWS is" fair and balanced", right? MSNBC is there to counter the right wing crap coming from FOX nonstop, compliments of dirty trick artist, Roger Ailes.
Disagree? Let me know.
Brown did nothing , copied a few job bills from Obama, voted not to repeal oil subsidies, voted against the Fair Pay Act for women, bragged about depriving 32 million uninsured Americans a chance to get affordable ( not free) healthcare, watered down the Finance Reform Act so now you rather than the banks pay for its enforcement, went along with every filibuster the Republicans chose to shut down the government. Guy was terrible. The " I fold the laundry at home " ad, was the most laughable. Not the brightest bulb on the tree. You would probably suck up to him and ask him for his autograph.

Uncle: the last statement is a talking point. The way to solve it is a balanced approach to fine tune both expenditures and revenue. Obama spending too much? Most of the recent spending is carryover still from the Bush years- wars not paid, prescription drug plan not paid, Bush tax cuts that reduced a trillion from revenue still going, recession that reduced tax revenue. Obama spent on a Stimulus that was half tax cuts. name some other large Obama spending initiatives. There are none. spending initiates with US house of representatives. Obama does not spend a dime.

Tyler - You state Obama does not spend a dime? He and his cronies have increased the use of food stamps by over 40%. The Community Organizer who is more head of the Democratic Party than President, is using the office to give a way money. Obama phone is not a joke...it is happening. The country is broke and this nit wit who has never had to pay for anything in his whole life just whines and does nothing. We need someone to lead the country.

Wind: agree on that last part.
MSNBC does not apologize for being left of center. It is serious , never said it was not.
MSNBC is left bias, FOX is right bias. Disagree? Difference FOX will not admit it. Reading the "FOX Effect " right now. describes in detail how FOX fronts for the Republican party and its candidates . FOX breeches the line between journalism and propaganda , my take.
free market cannot cope with China and India who get a little help from their government , and sorry to say because of that will win out in the end, just being real hear.

StevieB, You may be interested to know that only approximately 7/10 of 1% of the federal budget is spent on TANF (welfare benefits).

SNAP (formerly known as Food Stamps) takes approximately 5% of the federal budget.

There are indeed large numbers of people who pay no federal income tax. But those numbers include the working poor (who by definition are not freeloaders), retired public employees, some fairly large, very profitable corporations, elderly people, people with disabilities and so on.

There are always people who will "game the system," but they are not the majority of people.

Also, these programs have been in place since long before Governor Patrick or President Obama ever were elected.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/08/research_desk_tallies_how_expe.html

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

stevieB: " People like Tyler take..."? I work , dude. None of your junk applies.
Speaking of takers , mean the 47% Romney takers? Include Social Security and Medicare, military pensions, corporate welfare. business lunches as a tax deduction. steak and scotch for you businessmen? If you don't never get to the 47%.
Agree, though, scrutinize the stamps. Unfortunate part is the 75% on medicaid are kids 12 and under. Orphanages? willing to pay for foster care and orphanages?
Follow through on your logic. Heard the complaints for decades , with no intelligent next steps. let's hear some without going off subject too much, stevie.

According to the CBPP (Center on Budget and Policy Priorities):

"Under TANF, the federal government gives states a fixed block grant totaling $16.5 billion each year and requires them to maintain a certain level of state spending (totaling $10 billion-11 billion a year), based on a state’s level of spending for AFDC and related programs prior to its conversion to TANF in 1996. (This state funding requirement is known as the “maintenance of effort” requirement, or MOE.)"

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3808

And:

"In fiscal year 2011, the federal government spent about $78 billion on SNAP. About 92 percent went directly to benefits that households used to purchase food. The remaining 8 percent was used primarily for state administrative costs, including eligibility determinations, employment and training and nutrition education for SNAP households, and anti-fraud activities."

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2226

According to the Heritage Foundation, "total federal spending for fiscal year 2012[1] reached $3.6 trillion."

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/10/federal-spending-by-the-numbers-2012

For future reference, it is polite to say "please" when you ask someone to do something. Your post looks more like an order than a request.

Winddummy has the legit numbers

My original post was in response to Stevie B's post asserting that "most" Americans are "freeloaders."

It has been my experience that when people refer to "freeloaders" they aren't talking about retirees drawing on the Social Security system that they have paid into, Medicare recipients, or the large corporations accepting tax dollars for any of a number of questionable reasons. They are talking about TANF and SNAP recipients. There is a real misperception that entitlement funding is primarily used for those two programs. I was simply trying to prove that that is not true.

I offered data from the CBPP and the Heritage Foundation to support my assertion.

Wind: what is the $30 an hour tax free . There are plenty of $7/hour minimum wage jobs in the service industry. Explain the $30 you referenced . maybe if the minimum wage was made a living wage , a lot would opt for work rather than welfare. If on the other hand , it's everyone for themselves , just say so. Most on welfare are kids, disabled, elderly in nursing homes. Dukakis took able bodied males off the roles decades ago. lower the Title 8s and Food Stamps , BUT eliminate the corporate loopholes and wealthy deductions, up the minimum wage . Deal?